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aQuieterBreeze
 #1 
Noise Cancelling headphones

I am curious what people think of the noise cancelling headphones.
I am not one for earplugs, preferring to place a hand over my ear
in emergenicies, or if necessary resort to muffs.
Thankfully that is made easier because though I will protect both ears in some situations,
It is really only one that is really sensitive.
I have used earplugs on some occassions and  I am not fond of them-
(but I don't have the musician's ones)
It can be a little isolating at times because I prefer to skip events instead
of trying to cope with loud noise.
(Ok by me-- I do not really mind solitude)
BUT, there are some things it is hard to skip-- like if they are working on roads or
doing construction nearby.
Do noise cancelling headphones work well in that kind of situation?
Are they better for general use than muffs?
I wonder if they would have any different effect than wearing plugs or regular muffs-
Like would the "readjustment" of the ears to sound be a little easier when they are removed?
And if that is not eneough questions, I also wonder about your experiences with the Bose units. Do they emit an audible tone to cancel the noise?
I am sensitive to bass and low frequency so if they emit a low frequency hum-
they would not be for me.
Thanks for any thoughts you may have.
I assume that people with tinnitus may use muffs at times too, so please let me know
which you are using them for, and if they help. Thanks!
pt
 #2 
QB, that is a good question. The noise-cancelling headphones do not emit any audible tone. I believe they somehow sense what sound waves are in the vicinity and produce a wave to counteract those. You hear they are not as good against quick percussive sounds because they don't quite have enough time to produce the appropriate wave.

I borrowed an early version of noise-cancelling headphones from a friend, and was amazed at how well they worked. Then I dropped the battery thing on the ground and it broke. My friend has regular Bose noise-cancelling headphones and I keep meaning to borrow them and compare them to regular protective muffs. If this happens anytime soon, I will report back.
CPW151
 #3 
Everyone, there was a thread on one board sometime back about Active Noise Cancelling headphones.  (ANR)  The "R" is for reduction since nothing I know of completely cancels ALL sound.  I know that pilots use ANR's and Boise is considered one of the best but those you plug into the audio system.  I have an inexpensive pair ($40) I use on commercial flights and the guy next to me had the Q2 Bose.  I tried them and they were better but not near $300 worth better.

I am looking for a set of ANR headphones with full ear cups that do not have to have a cord attached to a sound source to work.  Or some that have a detachable cord at the headset but still will work without the cord.  I want to use them in my woodworking shop, riding lawnmowers, etc.  Any suggestions out there?  Thanks.

CPW
stringplayer
 #4 
Folks, tonyjeffs inadvdertently posted the following in the "Neuromonics" thread.  I am sure he meant to post it in this thread.  sp

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I have a pair of Bose Quiet Comfort 3 noise cancelling headphones and wouldn't be without them.

If I went to see a live band, I would wear them plus foam earplugs.
The problem with foam earplugs is they can't stop the powerful bass notes. If your neighbour has a party, you'll know that even a brick wall can't stop the low notes. I've suffered with the bass when wearing just foam earplugs at a concert.  Active noise cancellation helps that.

I occasionally play with other musicians who can be a bit loud. I find that noise cancelling headphones are good for that. Mine don't cut the high notes as much, but they certainly deal with the bone rattling bass guitarist.

I've never tried musicians earplugs, but some people say they are better.

There are also available now active earplugs. I've never tried these either.
Apparantly some people have experienced a phenomenon called 'suck' with them, where it feels like your eardrum is being pushed out.  I'd speculate that this is because the wavefronts of the in-phase and anti-phase sounds are not completely parallel, so it forms an interference pattern on your eardrum, like a ripple effect, before cancelling the sound.

So I'm happy with the Bose and sometimes foam plugs too.

I got the on-ear muffs because they look nice.  I'm sure the over ear version would provide greater overall attenuation.
Other manufacturers produce active muffs that might be just as efficient and are much cheaper. So that'd be worth checking out.

aQuieterBreeze
 #5 

PT-  I would be curious what you discover when you borrow your friend's headphones,
and if you would find them better for some noises than others. Please do let me know.
Please take note which model they are too. As there are differences in them. Thanks!
Also Thank you for detailing out, in the other thread, the process you went through when you got fitted for your special earplugs. It is nice to know.

CPW-  Thanks for turning up the phrase "ANR" (active noise reduction)
a search on that may bring up some really interesting things.
Your search for some headphones that do this in a "cordless manner" sounds like a worthwhile one.
I THINK the Bose QC2 & QC3 MAY work without having to have a cord attached.
(I think they changed them from the version 1.) Their website says "Detachable audio cable" under the specs for the QC2 & 3. I wonder how those would hold up with the vibration from a riding mower though? Perhaps an online search for noise canceling headphones, also using the phrase or words "detachable audio cable" may bring up other brands as well. Since it sounds like the ones you had for the plane were ok for you. But, with woodworking, etc.-  maybe that "little bit better" would be worth paying extra for if you can do that. Take good care of those ears.

TonyJeffs-  Thanks so much for your detailed reply. It sounds like they may be something that really would help, in my situation. And that would be Very NICE!
you also said

"I got the on-ear muffs because they look nice.  I'm sure the over ear version would provide greater overall attenuation."

Can you please clarify that a bit? I thought the QC3 were the over the ear ones.
(Like nice looking muffs) And the other ones look like they rest on the ears, instead of enclosing them like muffs do.
Also I do not know if you or CPW have hyperacusis or tinnitus or both.
But I want to say- you people are an inspiration. Doing the things you love to do,
and finding a way to them safely, that works for you.
And everyone- Thanks so much for the replies.

aQuieterBreeze





CPW151
 #6 
I don't think I have hyperacusis, just tinnitus or as I put it TINNITUS.  I have tried an Internet search for the ANR's and thought that I had found some but when I called the salesperson she said that the ANR would only work when they were plugged in.  Not sure about that or if she knew what she was talking about.  So I was hoping someone would know about a brand (hopefully less expensive than Bose Q2's) that meets my specifications.  As to not letting tinnitus direct my life, I have found that the best way to deal with it is to stay just as busy as I possible can.  Even an hour in a day is too much down time.  Keeps me exhausted but then again with 3 mg. of melatonin I sleep like a baby. 

CPW 
tonyjeffs
 #7 
Hi aQuieterBreeze

I've had tinnitus for 12 years or so. Had a bit of hyperacusis at first, but that went away.

The Bose muffs would be great for a mower. I recently wore them while using a Kango Hammer (Jack hammer, road drill).

Sometimes they have a 30 day trial offer, so you can get a refund if you don't like them.
Here's the website
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_PRODUCT_PAGE_EVENT&product=qc3_headphones_index


They have a little microphone that you cant see on the outside of each cup. It picks up the sound, inverts it, and plays it back into your ear. Because it is back-to-front it cancels out the original.

The audio lead is nothing to do with the noise cancellation really. It is just so that you can plug your IPod in while mowing the lawn.

But Note what I said that Bose are very expensive, about $350 or ukPounds 230..
These Sony active headphones are only $ 35, a tenth the price,  and although I haven't tried them they might be just as good.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-NC6-Noise-Canceling-Headphones/dp/B000629GES


 
pt
 #8 
More from the newsbabe:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/technology/14pogue.html?ref=technology

as I recall, one of the ones he says is really well priced is an old model and the model available now ismore expensive.
aQuieterBreeze
 #9 
Hi TonyJeffs-

You said-
I've had tinnitus for 12 years or so. Had a bit of hyperacusis at first, but that went away.

Sorry to hear about the tinnitus, but glad your hyperacusis went away!
Wish mine, and everyone else's, would take a long hike and it can take our tinnitus with it!

Your description of what the Bose Headphones will do is quite convincing. They should work well for me. Thank you for going into detail! As to the cost, I do not go to concerts these days, and am still recovering from a setback from a few months ago. So for me it's worth the money to get the good ones!(I have heard some smart people say "You get what you Pay for" and in this case, for me, I really think that could be true.)
Though I do thank you for including the other info as well! (And will take a look)

Do the Bose, in canceling the sound-emit any signal you can hear?
(when not using a jackhammer!)

As to those earplugs, the noise reduction ones- Your very apt description is wonderful! And thoroughly convincing. I knew immediately they were not for me!  (But for some reason, and I hope you do not take offense- it was awhile before I could quit laughing) Thankyou!(laughter is good for the spirit!)

By the way, what do you play?

Hi Peach- The article will not come in.
I will try to find it a different way. ThankYou.

Peace and A Beautiful Day
aQuieterBreeze
rmi11er
 #10 

Quote:
Originally Posted by CPW151
As to not letting tinnitus direct my life, I have found that the best way to deal with it is to stay just as busy as I possible can.  Even an hour in a day is too much down time.  Keeps me exhausted but then again with 3 mg. of melatonin I sleep like a baby. 

CPW 


That is how I escape too.  There is no other way so at least stuff gets done, but damn I miss silence!  Sometimes when I go to a movie before it starts and when it gets quiet at times I hear the T remind me of it's relentlessness.  We need more brilliant minds with T to work on this eventually there needs to be something more than what we have now which is nothing.  Looking into the past we have solutions now to things we thought we never would have.  This needs to be another one of those things that we had no clue about till one day someone found the switch.  It's all chemistry and electronics something will be done eventually, but until then... busy busy busy...
stringplayer
 #11 
R posted [in part]:

It's all chemistry and electronics something will be done eventually, but until then... busy busy busy...

..........

Sounds exhausting to me.

sp
tonyjeffs
 #12 
Do the Bose, in canceling the sound-emit any signal you can hear?
(when not using a jackhammer!)

As to those earplugs, the noise reduction ones- Your very apt description is wonderful! And thoroughly convincing. I knew immediately they were not for me!  (But for some reason, and I hope you do not take offense- it was awhile before I could quit laughing) Thankyou!(laughter is good for the spirit!)

By the way, what do you play?

 
Hi aQuieterBreeze
No - no noise I can hear from the Bose.  (Sounds like an Alien species - Invasion of the Bose...)

A great word for that active earplug phenomenon, suck. Had me in stitches when I read about it :-)
I play guitar - I'm not bad or great - somewhere in the middle I think.

Mostly though at the moment, I mess about with my pc until it breaks and then have fun trying to fix it. Like now it'll only run from a boot disk.
All my own fault!

Cheers

Tony

 
aQuieterBreeze
 #13 
Tony- Thank You very much for your reply on all counts!
(hope your computer is cooperating today, as it seems like they have minds of their own sometimes.)
And cheers to you as well!

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